tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13425555.post8225545540352732259..comments2023-12-20T09:54:33.993-05:00Comments on Not Born to Run: Army Ten Milerjeannehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15105083650427355181noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13425555.post-49389832218882606702019-10-13T10:30:46.287-04:002019-10-13T10:30:46.287-04:00Thank you for this....some of these comments about...Thank you for this....some of these comments about mike are just inconsiderate. This was a difficult time for all of us and the negative comments are Certainly not necessary.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13425555.post-27945187762789241332019-10-13T10:24:41.585-04:002019-10-13T10:24:41.585-04:00Thank you very much for this commemt. Our family ...Thank you very much for this commemt. Our family appreciates it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13425555.post-64256042729486893912019-10-13T10:23:16.127-04:002019-10-13T10:23:16.127-04:00Thank you we appreciate your comment⤠this was a t...Thank you we appreciate your comment⤠this was a tragic loss for our family.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13425555.post-13309410588499470062019-10-13T10:19:38.149-04:002019-10-13T10:19:38.149-04:00Thank you for setting them straight. As a relativ...Thank you for setting them straight. As a relative of Mikes i wish this never happened. He was very in good shape and our family thanks everyone for their condolences...its been 11 years now...and as i read some comments i was certainly taken back by some of these. But thank you so much for your post it was greatly appreciated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13425555.post-86032812575913673812007-10-15T16:06:00.000-04:002007-10-15T16:06:00.000-04:00Michael Banner was a brother to me, for my sister ...Michael Banner was a brother to me, for my sister is married to his brother.<BR/>On behalf of the Banner family I would like to say thank you for your thoughts and prayers.<BR/>~TaraAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13425555.post-42641974456196745232007-10-11T21:53:00.000-04:002007-10-11T21:53:00.000-04:00John I couldn't agree with you more. I have posted...John I couldn't agree with you more. I have posted on another blog and people were trashing me because I was making the point to be responsible for your own well being. This is not being insensitive to the family and friends of the young man that died. It is a horrible what happened and the circumstances behind it are unknown. I too passed people slugging along in black long sleeve shirts complaining it was hot. I was flabergasted at the lack of preparation from some atheletes running the course. That is uncalled for, this is a race.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13425555.post-74379662468835747622007-10-10T09:21:00.000-04:002007-10-10T09:21:00.000-04:00I think we should all pray for the Banner family, ...I think we should all pray for the Banner family, if any of you did see the sequence of events I would keep them archived in a file for it may be helpful to the family of Michael Banner to know what happened shortly after 10 am on Sunday....it was a difficult scene to watch and it may help them to know that we was attended to...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13425555.post-49095800437388537512007-10-09T18:34:00.000-04:002007-10-09T18:34:00.000-04:00Wow!! How did so many people find your blog??? I a...Wow!! How did so many people find your blog??? I am so seriously sick of races not having adequate runner support. What's the deal??? Screw worrying about headphones and spend that energy getting people the water they have paid for!!! Jeez. <BR/><BR/>I'm glad you came through ok. What a weekend of screwed up races....Raehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08904635948454938056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13425555.post-1139456566041041032007-10-09T08:56:00.000-04:002007-10-09T08:56:00.000-04:00In response to some comments seeking more informat...In response to some comments seeking more information here is an article from the Washington post with more details on the runner. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/08/AR2007100801447.html?nav=hcmodule<BR/><BR/>He was my college roommate at Rensselaer. Although he didn't run at college he was still an active person. We are all awaiting more information, hopefully determining what caused this tragedy. Although I have heard many accounts of poor race conditions, a 25 year old man would most likely not die in a 10 mile race if not for some pre-existing unknown medical condition.<BR/><BR/>I appreciate the many people who have posted here with their condolences and their support. For those who also knew him I am sorry for your loss.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13425555.post-72009236422203858352007-10-09T00:04:00.000-04:002007-10-09T00:04:00.000-04:00I was watching the race near the finish line when ...I was watching the race near the finish line when the runner who died collapsed. I had seen him lying on the ground. Then the first medic came, then another. Then a wheelchair was brought, but it wasn't going to work--the poor man was in no condition to sit. I watched as they began giving him CPR. Then a golf cart with stretcher arrived and they worked on him more. At this point, I was feeling lightheaded from the shock and stepped out of the crowd to sit down. I made a call to a friend on my cell. The time then was 10:22am. At 10:30am my friend who was still watching from the fence called to check on me, and the ambulance had arrived.<BR/><BR/>I would guess that he collapsed closer to 10am. It was probably 10:40am when the ambulance left with him.<BR/><BR/>What a tragedy. My thoughts and prayers go out to his family and friends.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13425555.post-81605617021331327412007-10-08T23:52:00.000-04:002007-10-08T23:52:00.000-04:00I was a runner in the ATM yesterday for the first ...I was a runner in the ATM yesterday for the first time. I started in Wave 3. I finished the run with a chip time of 94 minutes. I remember running past the runner who died. He was receiving medical attention by several medics. I believe that the time of 10:40? is incorrect as published by the media. I read that he was later treated and died at the GW medical center. So, we do not know the reason for his death (e.g. medical error, preexisting medical condition, etc). Personally, I do did not feel the need to rehydrate along the course, until crossing the finish. All runners should know their limits and adjust their training to meet expected and unexpected conditions (i.e. clothing attire, conditioning, training environment). I wouldn't be too quick to blame the runner or the planners for his death as we don't know the circumstances. The lack of water may not have been the reason he died. I don't believe that lack of medical attention was the cause, based on the level of care I observed. Overall, I thought the race went well considering it was the largest ATM to date, the largest 10-miler in the States and the unusually hot weather this time of year. I am sorry for the runner and his family. Hopefully they can find some peace in this tragedy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13425555.post-45595678271048351812007-10-08T21:52:00.000-04:002007-10-08T21:52:00.000-04:00So we have a couple of people here who know this y...So we have a couple of people here who know this young man yet we don't know his name, his training history, or the events that lead up to the race. Only that he was "in shape." His family has not released his name. Why not? I certainly understand their right to privacy.<BR/><BR/>I have a personal connection to the runner from Chicago and his name was released almost immediately. I think there would be an outpouring of support from the running community for this young man if his name were released.<BR/><BR/>When more than 17,000 other runners (or whatever the official number is) complete this 10-miler and one person dies, there's a strong liklihood that something else was amiss. We will know for sure only after an autopsy.<BR/><BR/>And the time of his falling seems to be in question. The news reported 10:40 making him a pretty slow runner but someone here reported 9:45 -- just a little slower than when I crossed the line and yet I distinctly remember the ambulance call being well after my 10 minutes across the line and an hour is not at all unreasonable. Going back to an updated article at the Washington post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/07/AR2007100700868.html?hpid=moreheadlines<BR/> it says "The runner collapsed at about 10:40 a.m. and had averaged about 16 minutes per mile." So I think an earlier poster who said 9:45 was clearly wrong or misinformed. The article goes on to tell that the 91 year old retired Army sergeant fell out around mile 8 and was taken to the hospital but recovered.<BR/><BR/>I think we need more facts here and less speculation and opinion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13425555.post-87844126170607103072007-10-08T20:34:00.000-04:002007-10-08T20:34:00.000-04:00A tragedy, any way you look at it. No runner dies...A tragedy, any way you look at it. No runner dies b/c he (she) is "out of shape", he dies b/c events overwhelm his situation (Jim Fixx died after a run due to a congential heart condition). In Chicago a 35 y.o police officer died b/c of the confluence of circumstances, and we all mourn. And running, ultimately, makes all of us continuing participants better (lifestyle hoices) and we have the choice to continue or to retire (no shame in that!). Friends are looking out for us, who can't say that! That's what running can be about for other than the self-posessed, friendship. I have never run a race where there was not an very high high level of care, concern and dedication put out by 99.9% of the administrators. Occasionally bad things happen, as it does in all of life.peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17284634727671648704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13425555.post-12167349307095623492007-10-08T19:02:00.000-04:002007-10-08T19:02:00.000-04:00The Army 10 miler is a great race (with poor water...The Army 10 miler is a great race (with poor water planning this year). With 26,000 runners, it's a hard race to find your stride, but it's a good race to feel the family spirit so important in the Army! I am always impressed with the guys running 'with missing parts!' What heroes! For me, no water at mile 6, some at mile 8, but you had to go to the table to get it, no way to keep running. If you want to run a PR and not worry about 'fat asses' pick a different race. I understand that there are few fat asses in the olympic trials (or are you really too slow to run with the big boys?)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13425555.post-53761728282691915072007-10-08T14:50:00.000-04:002007-10-08T14:50:00.000-04:00Coming back a day later to read other comments, I ...Coming back a day later to read other comments, I am shocked and appalled at what people have said. I have been complaining about the heat for much of the summer, and may have come across as whining at times. Nobody is safe from the heat no matter how you prepare yourself. I highly doubt that "John" and an earlier anonymous person could come back here and defend their statements. And John, these races are open to all people, all all sizes and all athletic abilities. If want to avoid "dodging fat asses and other completely out-of-shape people" then start up front.David H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01937255491527624179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13425555.post-74184797959523628692007-10-08T14:12:00.000-04:002007-10-08T14:12:00.000-04:00I have to reiterate anonymous. The young man who ...I have to reiterate anonymous. The young man who died yesterday - at 25 - was a good friend to many, including my son. He was not out of shape and indeed had weekend plans with his buddies. Before you start to criticize "all of the people you think are out of shape... berating them for not realizing this is not a fun run" perhaps you should try a little compasion and keep his family and friends in your thoughts and prayers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13425555.post-17005668435892327962007-10-08T12:54:00.000-04:002007-10-08T12:54:00.000-04:00thanks. we surely will. so sorry for your loss.thanks. we surely will. so sorry for your loss.jeannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15105083650427355181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13425555.post-8025334829113805382007-10-08T12:42:00.000-04:002007-10-08T12:42:00.000-04:00I have to just say that the man who died in the 10...I have to just say that the man who died in the 10 miler yesterday was one of my best friends. He had just turned 25 and was in good shape as far as any of us know. I don't know many of the facts, as I was not there, but please keep his family and friends in all of your prayers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13425555.post-67872732152126181172007-10-08T11:06:00.000-04:002007-10-08T11:06:00.000-04:00John,How are runners (of ANY fitness level) suppos...John,<BR/>How are runners (of ANY fitness level) supposed to stay hydrated on course when there is no water provided (as promised) after mile 5, only Gatorade concentrate?Nancy Tobyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18402516081283603553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13425555.post-9240951137866831602007-10-08T10:54:00.000-04:002007-10-08T10:54:00.000-04:00wow. I am speechless at both the death and some of...wow. I am speechless at both the death and some of the comments here.<BR/><BR/>Glad you are ok.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16087444319472710699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13425555.post-22913425196656813032007-10-08T10:29:00.000-04:002007-10-08T10:29:00.000-04:00Hey, congratulations on your time! Twelve-o-one is...Hey, congratulations on your time! Twelve-o-one is pretty good considering the conditions. I didn't realize that your race was yesterday until I saw a blurb in the paper about some poor soul dying in the Army 10-miler. "That's Jeanne's race!" I exclaimed as I rushed upstairs to read your blog. Good job!Dorihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12489181738411546254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13425555.post-39380239811912948092007-10-08T10:07:00.000-04:002007-10-08T10:07:00.000-04:00i agree john. that's why i spent all summer traini...i agree john. that's why i spent all summer training, properly hydrating two days before, getting proper sleep, etc. I'm a slow runner. I seed myself properly and stay to the right. I don't come to a dead stop in front of you. Don't paint us all with a broad brush, please.<BR/><BR/>surely you're not passing judgment on this fellow who had the bad sense to die--especially when we have no info to go on?<BR/><BR/>What we do know is the army failed to deliver on its promise.jeannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15105083650427355181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13425555.post-28786649437343196672007-10-08T09:24:00.001-04:002007-10-08T09:24:00.001-04:00People need to understand that this is a 10-mile r...People need to understand that this is a 10-mile run, not a "fun run", walk, or charity event. It takes proper training, nutrition, and hydration to successfully run this event. I spent the first 3 miles yesterday dodging fat asses and other completely out-of-shape people while trying to maintain my pace. Although I admire their pluck, there is no point in endangering yourself for a t-shirt. When I see people running in long-sleeve cotton t-shirts with Bluetooth devices in their ear that screams disaster.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13425555.post-45520974016392849602007-10-08T09:24:00.000-04:002007-10-08T09:24:00.000-04:00I have no words. ((Hugs))I have no words. <BR/><BR/>((Hugs))Lauriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04300945096399594946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13425555.post-13257295228432740022007-10-08T08:28:00.000-04:002007-10-08T08:28:00.000-04:00Looks like it was a rough day to run for a lot of ...Looks like it was a rough day to run for a lot of people. I've been reading about the mayhem in Chicago too. <BR/><BR/>When are race officials going to recognize there are now slower fields and thirsty runners in the back of the pack too?!Annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04377440606704745517noreply@blogger.com